You have not identified a "Biblical Standard" for prophet other than what you correctly identified that Jesus said. Know them by their fruits.

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A critic posted a list of things that make a prophet from the Bible.

I went through each one and showed that Smith meets the Biblical standard of a “prophet.”

Jesus said that those who choose not to follow Him (does he also mean those who never knew of Him?) will face the wrath of God.

Smith said: Jesus is telling the truth, follow Jesus.

The “fruits” of Smith is his testimony of Jesus.

Critics will say that Smiths polygamy included relations of a Biblical nature. But the Bible includes polygamy.

Critics will say that Smith did not strictly follow Levitical Law for polygamy. Neither did Gods anointed in the Bible. Jacob did not. And Levitical Law does not apply after Christ. And the historical narrative for relations with already-married women is non-existant and weak.

 

Lots of wicked people say to follow Jesus.

Polygamy is not wicked in the Bible. Relations with women in polygamy is not a sin in the Bible.

Smith testified of Jesus.

Jesus killed innocent women and children in the Bible. Wicked? The Bible condones and supports wickedness.

 

Warren Jeffs says to follow Jesus also.

A red herring.

If you want to start a thread about Jeffs, do so.

This is a thread about Smith.

 

I realize there is no condemnation for marrying 14 year old girls in the Bible. However, this does not mean that it is not wrong/evil.

It means the Bible is not a good moral and ethical guide.

It means Smith meets the Biblical standard of “prophet.”

I am familiar with what it says in Romans and that verse about nailing our sins to the cross. However, Paul was very insistent that people not be involved in adultery. See Romans 7 for example. He spoke against the things which Smith promoted. As he said: "Is Christ the minister of sin? God forbid".

Your argument is that Smith violated Levitical Law.

He did every time he ate bacon.

He did every time he did not murder a bride on her wedding night who was not a virgin.

Jacob married sisters. An open violation of Levitical Law. Smith meets the Biblical standard of “prophet.”

You are focusing on Smith violating Levitical Law and is therefore a sinner.

That is a ridiculous position.

Polygamy is not a sin in the Bible. Violating Levitical Law is what Gods anointed did in the Bible (Jacob). And Levitical Law does not apply to followers of Christ.

Smith was a follower of Christ.

 

This notion that one can go about violating standards of morality in the ten commandments because Jesus paid for our sins is not right at all.

That is some cognitive gymnastics right there.

Smith violate the ten commandments? Polygamy is not a violation in the Bible.\

Smith violated the ten commandments by violating a technicality in the Levitical Law? So did Gods anointed in the Bible.

Relations with women in polygamy is not a sin and does not violate the ten commandments. In the Bible.

 

 

What historians other than determined apologists like Hales make an issue of claiming that Smith did not have sex with wives of other men. Hales freely admits and claims that sexual relations took place with some if not all of the plural wives and that it happened without the knowledge of Emma Smith. The church also admits this. IN other words, they admit that he was an adulterer.

The woman has no choice on who her husband has relations with in the Bible.

Smith had Biblical relations with some of the women. Hard evidence is that he had relations with some number of the single women.

But that is not a sin in the Biblical sense.

 

 

As to God lying in the Bible, some of your examples like the one with Miciah and his sarcasm don’t really say that, but what if it does say this. It definitely says worse things about God than that. Don’t believe these anonymous slanders of our Father in heaven just because they are in the Bible.

The excuses people give for God lying and false prophecies in the Bible sound a lot like apologists making excuses for Smiths fales prophecies.

 

I recognize that if the woman doesn't approve, the man can go and marry another woman anyway. It says that in the Section 132 which is an abomination.

The Bible give zero input and zero choice to the woman.

 

Yes, I agree, that this could have happened in the Bible also. So what is the point? Am I to say Joseph Smith was a true prophet because he promoted the same evil thing which is found in some parts of the Bible?

Smith meets the Biblical standard of “Prophet.”

You can come to whatever conclusions you want.

But Smith meets the Biblical standard of “prophet.”

 

It may be that I can't discount him based on the Bible, but I can sure do so based on what Jesus said and what James said and what it says in 1 John. I can also do it based on what it says in that abominable Section 132 and much more easily from the Nauvoo scriptures like Section 101 or for that matter Section 42.

Smith meets the Biblical definition of “prophet.”

You claim that since Smith was sealed to women already married, (you leave out that he was also sealed to men), regardless of Biblical contact—that makes Smith a sinner based on Levitical Law.

That is a gymnastics level reach.

The historical narrative that Smith had Biblical contact with the already-married women is weak. Levitical Law does not apply to Christians and Jacob (Gods anointed) violated Levitical Law.

You need to let that one go.

 

So what is your definition of adultery which will not make Smith an adulterer?

Physical contact of a Biblical nature was not a sin in the Bible.

 

 What is your definition of bearing false witness which will not condemn Smith's public false slander of women?

You do not have a first hand source for this claim.

 

 

What is your definition of taking the Lord's name in vain which will allow all sorts of falsehoods and evil doctrines to be taught by Smith in Gods name without being guilty of violating the one commandment of which God says that he will not hold a person guiltless who does it?

Smith testified of Jesus and told people to follow Jesus.

 

Jesus had it right. You shall know them by their fruits.

Smiths fruits is his testimony to follow and worship Jesus.