One can probably find good fruits in the lives of anyone.

Smiths friuits are his testimony that Christ lives and mankind is saved through Christ.

 

Jesus said to reject prophetic claimants because of evil fruits.

Jesus said simply not following Him will bring Gods wrath.

Jesus could have given women rights and said that slavery is bad. But He did not.

Polygamy is not evil—in the Bible.

 

Now, no one is perfect, but we should be able to expect a prophet to at least avoid bearing false witness and adultery.

Smith bore witness of Chris and polygamy is not a sin in the Bible.

 

It is certain that the Moses described in the Bible did not exist.

The Bible is myth, conjecture, hyperbole and pseudepigrapha. It is a horrible moral and ethical guide.

It was Smiths moral and ethical guide.

 

 However, there is no reason to suppose that these were anything other than good men who did not do the things Smith did which included marriage and adultery with women married to other men. Jesus was also a good man who did not do the things the church claims about Smith.

This is difficult to read. You are trying to spin too much into your paragraphs.

Smith was sealed in polygamy with the women he had Biblical relations with. That is not a sin.

Jesus condemned those to the wrath of God who do not have faith in Him.

Smith was a polygamist, and likely had relations with some number of his plural wives. Relations within polygamy is not a sin.

 

As to Smith not having relations with women he had not been sealed to, I thought that for years. Also, that there would have been a divorce from the legal husband first. I thought this until the brouhaha about Sylvia Lyon came out. Hales thought the same. Vogel debunks this narrative very well in that which I sent you.

No  how many times you repeat it, it won’t become true. The historical proof for your claim is very weak. No how many times you repeat it, it won’t be true. You are quoting a second hand source. Not a first hand source. And Vogels evidence is that since Smith claimed that polygamy could be used to create children, then that is the smoking gun. The problem there is that Vogel also admits that not all of Smiths wives were in the Biblical sense.

 

 

Neither was I sure that Smith even practiced polygamy.

Smith taught and practiced polygamy.

 

 I tried to show that it started with Brigham Young.

LDS Christian polygamy started with Smith.

 

But I thought that if he did, then it would have been as you suggest. He would have gotten permission from Emma etc.

I never made that suggestion. You are engaging in hyperbole here.

 

NO. None of it which I thought, was true. Hales still tries to make the Sylvia incident into a case of successive polygamy, the new husband coming after the old one but the DNA evidence indicates that within about a month she was having sex with two different men.

Smith? You are engaging in hyperbole again.

There is no DNA connection to Smith. You are engaging in hyperbole.

 

He was indeed sealed to her, unlike Fanny Alger,

Multiple Nauvoo-era sources are clear that Smith was sealed to Alger.

Pg 325 of “Rough Stone Rolling” has Levi Hancock marrying Alger and Smith.

 

 but does such a ceremony sanitize the fact that she remained married to her husband or at least continued to have sex with him?

You are trying to establish as fact something historians do not conclude is factual.

All of the ancients had the same notion as I do about what it is. So where is your definition? Can you give a reasonable one which will not condemn Smith as an adulterer according to what the LDS church is willing to admit about him? I say frequently that those defending Smith are these polygamy deniers, not the LDS church.

Do you want me to admit your bad history is factual history? I can’t do that. The historical narrative you are referring to .

The historical narrative of Smith and Sylvia having Biblical relations are weak. This is not the slam-dunk you think it is.

And if it did (it likely didn’t) it would have been in a God-sanctioned polygamist relationship.