So, was the murder of those women and children good?

I have seen Bible believers say that they would side with God and help with the murders of innocents, if it were the will of God.

Good. Bad. Its Biblical. Smith meets the standard of Biblical “prophet.”

 

 Jesus said to reject prophetic claimants based on their fruits being evil. The question is not these other things but if this murder was good.

The fruits of Smith are his testimony that Jesus is real, and mankind is saved through Christ.

 

 

None of the prophets in the Bible ever had sex with a woman married to another man except for the false prophets I mentioned.

Plenty of prophets in the Bible did worser.

Murder of innocents—and maintained the status as Gods anointed.

You can do evil—and still be a prophet of God in the Bible.

Smith, per honest historians, likely did not have Biblical relations with any woman he was not in a polygamist relationship with.

 

 This is the correct answer, not unsupported claims about Smith's polygamy being ordained by God.

Polygamy is ordained by God in the Bible. Smith practiced it. And pointed to the Bible as ordaining it.

The Bible was Smiths moral and ethical guide.

 

No. Smith does not meet the Biblical standard set by Jesus.

Smith testified of Jesus.

Jesus condemned those who did not follow Him. Jesus swore the wrath of God on those who do not follow Him. Smith told people: follow Jesus.

 

His fruits were evil.

Smiths fruits testify of Jesus.

 As I keep saying, if Smith had multiple wives this would not contradict the Bible even though it might have been wrong, but his sexual relations with women married to other men would. Also his marriage of mothers and daughters would violate Biblical laws.

Polygamy is Biblical.

Biblical leaders did worser than marry mothers and daughters. Murder. Murder of innocents.

Lack of consent of women in the Bible.

Jacob married sisters in the Bible. Gods chosen married family in the Bible.

Smith did also, just as righteous highly favored by God Jacob did? Interesting. Very interesting.

Seems like you are nitpicking on Smith, but not on Jacob in the Bible.

Smith meets the standard of “prophet” from the Bible.

 

This is hardly comparable to destroying a woman who refuses to violate God's commandments to not commit adultery.

That is not the claim in 132. You are being disingenuous. You are creating a false strawman.

Jesus condemns those who choose not to follow Him in the New Testament.

Polygamy is Biblical.

Nothing in 132 goes against Biblical teachings.

Its repulsive. But so is the Bible in not giving women a choice, and people being condemned by God for simply not having faith.

So where is the Biblical "Definition" of prophet

Go look at the top of the thread.

 

I think knowing them by their fruits is the only criterion available.

 

The fruits of Smith are his testimony that Jesus is real and we are saved through the redemption of Christ. The Book of Mormon makes this claim. The Doctrine and Covenants make this claim.

 

Where is your definition of adultery which will not include as adultery the things Smith did? All the standard definitions I gave you don't work.

Smith had relations with women he was sealed to in a polygamist relationship ordained by God. God ordains polygamy in the Bible.

How is it that calling women whores in public is not bearing false witness? So far, it looks a lot like Smith's fruits were evil.

Your source was weak that this even occurred historically. I provided the primary source. Not you. Me. I looked it up.

Turns out it is from a critical source. No one else said it occurred.

 

How is coercing young women to have sex in secret adultery based on a promise of eternal rewards contrary to God's commands not taking his name in vain if you use your position as prophet to achieve these nefarious ends?

Women have no choice in the Bible. So “coercion” is not wrong or bad—based on the Bible.

The Bible (repulsive) sets no age limit on marital age for young women. And condones polygamy as ok.

You are reaching here from a Biblical standard trying to condemn Smith—when in reality Smith meets the standard of a Biblical “prophet.”

 

Of course this depends on your definition of adultery. Where is it?

The Bible? Polygamy and marital contact in polygamy is fine in the Bible. And wives and women have no say in who they marry. Consent in marriage is not a thing in the Bible.

 

Here is another question. How can we follow Christ and practice adultery?

Clearly you can follow God in good standing and be highly favored of God. Jacob married Sisters in the Bible and is one of Gods chosen.

In the creedal trinitarian sense, the God of the Old Testament is Jesus. Jesus condoned polygamy.

Jesus condoned women having no consent in marriage. Jesus condoned no marital age for young women.

Can Smith be a polygamist, and engage in relations of a Biblical nature in a polygamist relationship with plural wives and be a follower of Christ? That is a good question. I would say—just like the Bible prophets who were polygamists who married sisters (Jacob—Leah, Rachel) Smith can be in good standing with God and His Son Jesus Christ.

Smith testified of Christ and told others—follow Christ. Clearly Smith followed Christ and practiced plural marriage.