Sunday, January 1, 2023

 This year you should supplement your New Testament study with a modern translation. Here's why. : latterdaysaints (reddit.com)


https://www.reddit.com/r/latterdaysaints/comments/100bheh/this_year_you_should_supplement_your_new/


Prompted by a recent post on here, I thought I'd share this little (or, maybe not little) document I've been working on. I've worked pretty hard on it, but I'm not a Bible expert, so I'm happy to take any corrections/additions.

Introduction

I would like to try to convince you to supplement your study of the KJV with a modern translation. I will do so by answering the following questions:

  • Is there evidence of bad translation (and transcription) in the Bible? And how did it get there?

  • Why should we care?

  • Why do we use the KJV?

  • Is it OK for Latter-day Saints to use modern translations?

  • Why should we use modern translations? (Spoiler: there’s more reasons than simply because it’s easier to understand).

As far as it is translated correctly...

“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly…” (Articles of Faith 1:8)

How has the Bible been translated incorrectly? Joseph Smith said: “I believe the bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers; ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors.” (History, 1838-1856, volume E-1 [1 July 1843-30 April 1844]).

How did we get from the pen of the original writers to now? A very simplified explanation:

  1. The original writers write the scripture.

  2. Copies of these scriptures are made (by hand). Additionally, people start translating these scriptures into other languages, and quoting them in their own letters, etc.

  3. As time passes, the original books are either lost or destroyed by wear and tear, and time. Soon nobody is reading the original manuscript. They are all reading copies, or copies-of-copies, or copies-of-copies-of-copies. If you've ever played the game telephone you know that for every new copy made, there is the risk an error could slip in.

  4. Today, most of our oldest manuscripts are mere fragments.

    1. The three oldest New Testament fragments come from the 2nd Century AD and cover only 31 verses. The oldest complete New Testament manuscript is from the 4th Century AD.

    2. The oldest Old Testament fragment is a quotation written on small scrolls of silver (metal plates?) covering three verses and dated to the 7th Century BC. The oldest complete Old Testament manuscript is from the 10th Century AD.

    3. Additionally, as time passes, for some books, all of the copies were lost. This includes the book of Nathan the Prophet and a letter to the Corinthians, written prior to our current 1 Corinthians. (See also “Lost books” in the Bible Dictionary).

  5. Because we no longer have any of the “original” copies, modern Bible scholars are doing their best to take the various manuscripts and fragments and piece together what was probably the original words. In doing so, they have found numerous discrepancies. There are currently over 5,000 Greek New Testament manuscripts/fragments that are all different from each other in some way. Most of these variants are minor (such as things like using the Greek equivalent of “a” instead of “an”) while a few might be considered fairly significant (but none are so significant you’d have to change your entire belief system). For examples of the most significant variants, see “Textual Criticism and the New Testament” in A Background to the Texts of the New Testament, BYU Religious Studies Center, 2019.

  6. When there are discrepancies, scholars use a variety of principles to try to determine which is most likely to be the original. The primary two are: (1) Older manuscripts are probably closer to the original than newer manuscripts, and (2) Manuscripts in the original language are probably closer to the original than ones that have been translated into another language. (But these two principles, when taken together, can lead to hard questions. For example, which is likely to be more accurate? A manuscript from 1000 AD that is still in the original Hebrew? Or a manuscript from 500 AD but is a Latin translation?)

Is there any evidence for Joseph Smith’s claim that “ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have made many errors”?

Ignorant translators. The word “ignorant” is not an attack on the translators’s characters. It simply means "lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about a particular thing". There are numerous examples in the King James Version where the translators were doing the best they could with the information available at the time, but that we now know were inaccurate translations. For example, Deut. 33:17 mentions “unicorns” because as far as the KJV translators could decipher, that’s what it said. But more modern scholarship has learned that it is more likely referring to a species of wild ox. (Or possibly a rhinoceros!)

Careless transcribers. One of the most famous examples of a careless transcription is The Sinners’ Bible, a 1631 printing of the KJV where the printer accidentally left out the word “not” in one of the Ten Commandments--leading the text to say: “Thou shalt commit adultery”.

An example that can be found in the KJV today is Mark 9:43-48 where verses 44, 46, & 48 all repeat the line “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” Today, most Biblical scholars believe this is an error. Most likely when copying the Greek manuscript which the KJV is based off of, the transcriber accidentally wrote that same line multiple times. Today, manuscripts even older than the one the KJV was based on were discovered, and these older manuscripts only have verse 48.

Designing and corrupt priests. BYU Professor Thomas Wayment has noted an example from the New Testament:

"A rather simple text critical question arises with the potential forgery of a verse that was inserted into the text of the New Testament with a specific interest in promoting a distinct doctrinal position. In 1 John 5:7–8, only a few extremely late Greek manuscripts contain the words, “(7) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (8) And there are three that bear witness in earth.” The textual evidence against these words is almost overwhelming, with only a late fourteenth-century Greek manuscript as the primary piece of evidence to support it. Interestingly, these forged words found their way into the King James translation and have thereby become well known despite the fact that they were clearly forged." (“Textual Criticism and the New Testament”, A Background to the Texts of the New Testament, BYU Religious Studies Center, 2019. See also, “Johannine Comma”, Wikipedia.)

For an interesting (but somewhat complicated) possible corruption in the Old Testament, see “Is the Bible Reliable? A Case Study: Were King Joisah’s Reforms a Restoration from Apostasy or a Suppression of Plain and Precious Truths?” in BYU Studies 2021.

Why do we care? John 17:3: “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” If we truly want to know God and Jesus Christ through the scriptures, then we ought to try to get as close to the original sources as possible.

What can we do?
Look to the Joseph Smith Translation
What is the Joseph Smith Translation?

One unique avenue Latter-day Saints have for getting to “the pen of the original writers” is through the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. If you don’t know what the JST is, see here and here for basics.

However, it is important to note that when Joseph Smith “translated” the Bible he was not merely restoring the original text. BYU Professor Jared Ludlow has pointed out that the JST is probably not a singular process and, depending on the verse, one of four things is probably occurring:

  1. A restoration of that which was originally written.

  2. A restoration of that which occurred or was said anciently, but never recorded by the original writers.

  3. An inspired commentary. As LDS Scholars Jeffrey Bradshaw and David Larsen said: “Even if certain revelatory passages in the book of Moses were found to be direct translations of ancient documents—as was, apparently, D&C 7—it is impossible to establish whether or not they once existed as an actual part of some sort of ‘original’ manuscript of Genesis. Mormons understand that the primary intent of modern revelation is for divine guidance to latter-day readers, not to provide precise matches to texts from other times.”

  4. A scholarly commentary. As Joseph Smith worked through the Bible, he was also studying Hebrew and some of the best Biblical scholarship available at the time. Some of the edits in the JST appear to be based on these studies.

Furthermore, it should be noted that it is unclear whether Joseph Smith finished working on the translation. The majority of the work occurred in the early 1830s, but he continued to make revisions up until his death in 1844.

For more information on the JST see, “The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible” in BYU Studies, 2021.

So what else can we do to get to the “pen of the original writers”? We can supplement our scripture study with modern Bible translations.

Modern Translations
Why We Use the King James Version

The Church handbook states in section 38.8.39.1:

"The Church identifies editions of the Bible that align well with the Lord’s doctrine in the Book of Mormon and modern revelation (see Articles of Faith 1:8). A preferred edition of the Bible is then chosen for many languages spoken by Church members.

In some languages, the Church publishes its own edition of the Bible. Church-published editions are based on standard Bible texts. Examples include:

  • The King James Version in English.

  • The Reina-Valera (2009) in Spanish.

  • The Almeida (2015) in Portuguese.

Church-published editions of the Bible include footnotes, subject indexes, and other study aids.

When possible, members should use a preferred or Church-published edition of the Bible in Church classes and meetings. This helps maintain clarity in the discussion and consistent understanding of doctrine. Other editions of the Bible may be useful for personal or academic study."

How does using the KJV help maintain “consistent understanding of doctrine”? Specific phraseologies used in the KJV are used in the same way in the Book of Mormon and modern-day revelations. For example the KJV refers to “bishops” but newer translations often use the word “overseer” instead. Neither translation is more correct than the other, but if we studied only newer translations we would have difficulty connecting bishops in the Bible with bishops in the Doctrine and Covenants.

Is it OK for Latter-day Saints to study modern Bible translations?

As stated in the Church Handbook, “other editions of the Bible may be useful for personal or academic study.” Furthermore, in a 2017 Facebook post, Elder Renlund said he studies other translations. Elder Maynes quoted the Revised Standard Version in his 2015 General Conference talk, and Elder John K. Carmack has said: “We clearly prefer the King James Version of the New Testament, but we are not adamant about that. Any responsibly prepared version could be used and might be helpful to us.”

Finally, Elder Ballard has stated:

"For you to understand the doctrinal and historical content and context of the scriptures and our history, you will need to study from the “best books” as the Lord has directed. The “best books” include the scriptures, the teachings of modern prophets and apostles, and the best LDS scholarship available… It is always wise to make it a practice to study the words of the living prophets and apostles; keep updated on current Church issues, policies, and statements through mormonnewsroom.org and lds.org; and consult the works of recognized, thoughtful, and faithful LDS scholars to ensure you do not teach things that are untrue, out of date, or odd and quirky."

And on that note, LDS Scholar Ben Spackman says that, “the absolute best and easiest thing you can do to increase the quality and frequency of your Bible study is to replace/supplement your KJV with a different translation.”

Why Study Modern Bible Translations?

There are three primary reasons you should study modern translations of the Bible: (1) they are likely to be closer to the "pen of the original writers", (2) they offer alternative interpretations, and (3) they are easier to understand.

Closer to the pen of the original writers. Modern translations are closer to the pen of the original writers for two primary reasons:

  1. Most modern translations are translated from older manuscripts. For example, the KJV New Testament is translated from several Greek manuscripts--the oldest of them dating from the 1100’s AD. That’s over 1,000 years after the original manuscripts were written! Through modern discoveries of lost manuscripts and fragments we now have documents dating as far back as 125 A.D. As previously noted, the presumption then is that these older manuscripts are likely to be closer to the pen of the original writers.
    Example: Mat. 5:22 says, “whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.” Due to discoveries in older manuscripts, most modern Bible translations now leave out the phrase “without a cause”. This is a pretty significant theological difference. (And, interestingly, in the Book of Mormon, when Jesus gives the Sermon on the Mount/Temple in 3 Ne. 12:22, he also leaves out “without a cause”.)

  2. Advances in scholarship have clarified some uncertain words. Occasionally when reading the Bible, you may have noticed footnotes that say “Hebrew meaning uncertain” (see footnote on “in judgement” for Jud. 5:10). What this means is that the original meaning of the word/phrase has been lost, so the translators are inserting their best guess. The KJV was translated in 1611. Since that time scholarship has advanced and many words whose meaning were once uncertain are more clear. For example, as previously mentioned, Deut. 33:17 mentions “unicorns” because as far as the KJV translators could decipher, that’s what it said. But more modern scholarship has learned that it is more likely referring to a species of wild ox.

Alternative interpretations. All translation requires some level of interpreting. This could be because the proper translation is still being debated, or because the original text uses a play on words to create multiple meanings in one phrase. (And the Bible writers really liked to use play on words). Therefore, alternative translations let you see how different translators interpret the same text. For example, Proverbs 8:22 is about how Lady Wisdom existed with God in the pre-mortal existence:

  1. KJV: The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

  2. NRSV: The LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of long ago.

While the words “possess” and “create” have very different meanings in English, the translation note from the New English Translation explains that the root word in Hebrew is the same. (“There are two roots to qanah in Hebrew, one meaning “to possess,” and the other meaning “to create”.) Therefore, when translating this Hebrew word, translators have to decide which English word to use.

Additionally, even when the meaning of another translation is the same, reading the text with new wording can help the text feel fresh and give you a new perspective on verses you’ve read many times before.

Easier to understand. Newer translations can help you understand the KJV’s archaic language. For example, in the KJV, Colossians 3:5 reads, “Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth.” If you have difficulty understanding what that means, try the NRSV: “Put to death, therefore, whatever in you is earthly.” The two verses mean the same thing, but the modern translation is much more understandable.

Furthermore, the above example is actually the easy problem. Because when you read it you know you don’t understand it. The harder problem is when the meaning of a word changes over time. In those cases because you think you know what it means, you don’t know to look up its true meaning. BYU Professor Gaye Strathearn gives two examples:

"[T]he KJV of 1 Thessalonians 4:15 reads, “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep”. In modern English, the word prevent means to stop something from happening. The King James translators, however, used it to translate the Greek word word phthano, which means to “come before” or “precede.” Modern translations, therefore, translate phthano as “precede” (NRSV, NIV, NAB), or “go up ahead” (CEV). More loosely, the NJB translate it as “have no advantage over.”

Another example in this category is the King James Bible’s use of conversation, which in modern parlance usually refers to speaking. However, in Philippians 1:27 we read, “Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ,” where conversation is a translation of the Greek word, politeuomai, which means to “conduct one’s life.” Modern translations use “live your life” (NRSV), “live” (CEV), “conduct your life” (NIV), “behave” (NJB), and “manner of life” (ESV)."

Additionally, because the KJV is harder to understand, we often have to slow down our reading. Sometimes (maybe even most of the time) this is good, but it also sometimes makes it difficult to see the forest for the trees. I highly recommend finding a modern translation and picking a day to sit down and read one of the four gospels all in one sitting. I think you will be surprised at how much closer you will feel to Jesus after doing so. (Note: Luke is the longest gospel, and will likely take about 3 hours to read. Mark is the shortest and would take about an hour and a half).

For detailed explanations of why you should supplement your Bible study with a modern translation, read The King James Bible and the Future of Missionary Work by LDS Scholar Grant Hardy, Study Bibles: An Introduction for Latter-day Saints by BYU Professor Joshua M. Sears, and The King James Translation of the New Testament by BYU Professor Lincoln Blumell.

Recommended Translations
How do you pick a Bible translation?

When selecting a Bible translation, the two major things to consider are the (1) type of translation being attempted and (2) the translator’s interpretive choices.

Types of translation. Anyone who has studied a foreign language knows that an exact word-for-word translation is impossible. Translators do not just need to translate words, they also have to translate grammar, idioms, and even culture. For example in the KJV 1 Sam. 24:3 says, “Saul went in to cover his feet.” This is a very literal word-for-word translation of the Hebrew. However, to “cover his feet” is a Hebrew cultural idiom that actually means to urinate. This is why the NRSV translators decided to translate the idiom rather than the words, and says: “Saul went in to relieve himself.”

All translations will fall somewhere on a spectrum from word-for-word translation (AKA formal equivalence) to thought-for-thought translation (AKA dynamic equivalence). When selecting a Bible translation, you will have to decide which you prefer. The advantages to a word-for-word translation is it will be closer to what the original text actually said, and it is less likely to contain the translator’s interpretive biases. The disadvantage is it can be harder to understand what the original writer meant. (The advantages/disadvantages of thought-for-thought are basically the opposite of word-for-word).

Interpretive choices. All translations, even translations leaning toward word-for-word, require a certain amount of interpretation. And as translators make interpretive choices, their own biases will inevitably leak in. For example, as will be explained in more detail in a later section, the New International Version is heavily biased toward an evangelical Protestant interpretation.

The best way to overcome interpretive biases is to use ecumenical translations. An ecumenical translation tries to eliminate sectarian biases by having the group of translators come from a variety of religious backgrounds.

Having said all that, for the most part, all major Bible translations are pretty good, and 99% of the time it won’t matter which translation you use.

Specific Recommendations
Overall Recommendation

In my opinion, the overall best modern translation is the New Revised Standard Version. This translation is about in the middle when it comes to word-for-word vs. thought-for-thought, but leans slightly more toward word-for-word. Furthermore, the translation is highly ecumenical with translators coming from a variety of different religious backgrounds. (Including Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Jews, and non-believers. I do not think there were any Latter-day Saints). It is the main translation used by universities and Biblical experts.

Other Recommendations
  • For Latter-day Saint translations there is The New Testament: A Translation for Latter-Day Saints Study Bible and the BYU New Testament Commentary.

  • For word-for-word translations the American Standard Version (ASV), and Jubilee Bible (JUB) are good.

  • For understanding alternative translations the footnotes to the New English Translation (NET) are helpful. The NET is free online and comes with many, many footnotes explaining alternative translations and why they chose the specific one they did. However, while the footnotes are useful, the translation itself has a protestant bias (see 1 Peter 4:6 where it adds the word “now”). Furthermore, this is one of the few completely new modern Bible translations. Most modern translations are actually just updates of previous translations. (E.g. New Revised Standard Version is an update of the Revised Standard Version, which is an update of the American Standard Version, which is an update of the English Revised Version, which is an update of the King James Version).

  • For audio translations the Word of Promise Audio Bible (a reading of the New King James Version (NKJV)) is great. It has famous actors voicing different characters, sound effects, and background music. (Note: The NKJV is a revision of the KJV. But it is mostly just a modernizing of the language. It usually retains the stuff that have been removed from other modern translations. (E.g. it keeps the “without a cause” in Mat. 5:22).

  • For a literary translation try Robert Alter’s The Hebrew Bible: A Translation with Commentary (Old Testament). Robert Alter is the leading expert on the Bible as literature. There is no way you can read this without coming away convinced that the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is one of the greatest works of literature ever written. For the New Testament try David Brentley Hart’s translation.

  • For reading God’s name there is the Names of God Bible (NOG)/Sacred Names translations. These transliterate the names of God. (I.e. you can see whether the scripture is referencing Elohim or Jehovah/Yahweh or some other name for God. See for example, Genesis 1-2. However, the Bible does not separate Elohim from Jehovah as cleanly as we generally do today, so take this information with a grain of salt.)

  • For reading peoples’s names there is the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB). Here names are transliterated rather than anglicized. I.e. see how the Apostles most likely pronounced their own names.

Online, biblegateway.com is a great free resource with dozens of translations and lets you quickly compare verses.

One Non-Recommendation

One translation I do not recommend is the New International Version. The reason I single it out is because for the last several years it has been America’s best-selling Bible. However, it is heavily biased by the translators, who were all required to affirm that “the Bible alone, and the Bible in its entirety, is the Word of God written, and is therefore inerrant in the autographs”. Since Latter-day Saints are neither evangelical Protestants nor Biblical inerrantists, it is not the best translation for us.

Some examples ( Most of this analysis comes from this website. I haven’t read much of the other articles on the website, so can’t say if I’d endorse anything else found there.)

Genesis 28:5, 29:5

KJV: And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian And he said unto them, Know ye Laban the son of Nahor? And they said, We know him.

NRSV: Thus Isaac sent Jacob away; and he went to Paddan-aram, to Laban son of Bethuel the Aramean… He said to them, “Do you know Laban son of Nahor?” They said, “We do.”

NIV: Then Isaac sent Jacob on his way, and he went to Paddan Aram, to Laban son of Bethuel the Aramean… He said to them, “Do you know Laban, Nahor’s grandson?” “Yes, we know him,” they answered.

On numerous occasions, the NIV changes what the original text says in order to hide contradictions with other texts. This is just one example.

Here there is a contradiction between Genesis 28:5 and 29:5 on who Laban is the son of. The NIV attempts to reconcile this contradiction by changing “son” to “grandson”.

1 Samuel 1:9, 3:3

KJV: So Hannah rose up after they had eaten in Shiloh, and after they had drunk. Now Eli the priest sat upon a seat by a post of the temple of the Lord… And ere the lamp of God went out in the temple of the LORD, where the ark of God was, and Samuel was laid down to sleep;

NRSV: After they had eaten and drunk at Shiloh, Hannah rose and presented herself before the Lord. Now Eli the priest was sitting on the seat beside the doorpost of the temple of the LORD… the lamp of God had not yet gone out, and Samuel was lying down in the temple of the LORD, where the ark of God was.

NIV: Once when they had finished eating and drinking in Shiloh, Hannah stood up. Now Eli the priest was sitting on his chair by the doorpost of the Lord’s house… The lamp of God had not yet gone out, and Samuel was lying down in the house of the LORD, where the ark of God was.

The NIV has translated Hebrew hekal, meaning “temple”, as “house”, most likely in order to conceal the fact that Samuel is shown serving at a temple before there was supposed to be one. (The structure has a doorpost and doors, and is clearly not the tent-like tabernacle described in the Pentateuch.)

Psalm 51:5-6

KJV: Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

NRSV: Indeed, I was born guilty, a sinner when my mother conceived me. You desire truth in the inward being; therefore teach me wisdom in my secret heart.

NIV: Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place.

The NIV seems to be pushing the doctrine of original sin in its translation. Whereas a literal reading would be “In iniquity I was formed, in sin my mother conceived me,” the NIV reads “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” In the next verse, it adds the word “womb”, which does not appear in the Hebrew text: “Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb.” This is almost certainly not what v. 6 means. Other translations read “You desire truth in the inward being” (NRSV) or “you desire integrity in the inner man” (NET).

Psalm 82:1, 6; John 10:34

KJV: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods…

I have said, “Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

NRSV: God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgement:...

I say “You are gods, children of the Most High, all of you;”

Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’?”

NIV: God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgement among the “gods”:...

“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’”

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?”

The NIV adds ironic quotation marks around “gods” to imply that the word should not be understood in the normal sense. The obvious reason is to weaken the polytheistic language of Psalm 82.

Philippians 2:6

KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

NRSV: who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,

NIV: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage.

The NIV changes the Greek, which is correctly translated by the NRSV as “though he was in the form of God”, to say “being in very nature God”, a speculative interpretation of “form of God” that is unwarranted by the original text.

James 2:14

KJV: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?

NRSV: What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you?

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

The NRSV correctly reads “What good is it … if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you?” The NIV harmonizes this verse with Protestant theology by adding the word “such” without textual justification: “What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?” (Note: most other English translations also alter the passage.)

James 2:17-18, 20, 22, 24-26

The NIV translates ergon, meaning “works”, inconsistently throughout the epistles in order to push the Bible’s theology on faith and works in a Protestant direction. In negative contexts (e.g. Romans 3:27), the NIV translates it as “works” almost without exception. However, it avoids any positive association with the word “works” in verses like James 2:24, which has been translated, “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone”, and James 2:26, “so faith without deeds is dead.” The NRSV is more consistent and theologically neutral, translating it as “works” in all these passages. James 2:25 is a particularly egregious example: while the Greek text literally says Rahab was “justified (dikaioō) by works (ergon)”, the NIV translation says Rahab was “considered righteous for what she did”, even though the NIV is happy to translate dikaioo and ergon as “justified” and “works” in passages like Romans 3:28 (“For we maintain that a person is justified (dikaioō) by faith apart from the works (ergon) of the law.”) Theology aside, the NIV’s translation of ergon as the phrase “what they do” in v. 24 is also a clumsy attempt at avoiding gender-specific pronouns.

1 Peter 1:17

The NRSV correctly reads “If you invoke as Father the one who judges all people impartially according to their deeds…” Because this verse suggests that people are judged by God according to their works, contra Protestant theology, the NIV changes the wording to mean something slightly different: “Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially…”

1 Peter 3:21

The NRSV correctly reads “And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you—not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”. Because this conflicts with Protestant theology on baptism, the NIV has changed “appeal to God for a good conscience” to “pledge of a clear conscience toward God”, which has a very different meaning.

1 Peter 4:6

This enigmatic passage correctly reads in the NRSV as “For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead”. The possibility of salvation after death obviously conflicts with Evangelical theology, so the NIV has changed it to read “For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead.”

If you want to try out other versions of the Bible, I'd recommend checking out the above verses and see how they compare.

Saturday, December 31, 2022

 An analysis of the five minute anti-Latter day Saint hit piece. Lets see if Mike Winger is honest and accurate...


Mike Winger:
"Let me read to you from an article on LDS.org called "Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham" this is the official position... I'll read to you word-for-word. "mArMan and non-MarMan Egyptologists agree"



Lets see if he tells the truth that he is going to read (his words) "word for word." He paused before he said, "mArMan and non-MarMan Egyptologists agree..."


Here is what it states.... "None of the characters on the papyrus fragments mentioned Abraham’s name or any of the events recorded in the book of Abraham. Latter-day Saint and non-Latter-day Saint Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham..."


It was funny to see him almost read "word for word." But he did not want to actually read (his words) "word for word" because that would mean that he would actually have to use the name of the Church.


So... Is Mike Winger honest and accurate? Did he read, "word for word?" No.


Did he provide false and misleading information when he said he was going to read, "word for word?" Yes.


The name, "mArMan" for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not used in the "Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham" not once. But yet Mike Winger reads it (falsely) as if it is.


Why?


 Mike Winger:


(from the document) "though there is not unanimity, even among non-Latter-day Saint scholars, about the proper interpretation of the vignettes on these fragments." "Now that is kind of a cop-out because what they are really saying is we are not really sure what every piece of these fragments means. Ok, fine but we know for sure it does not mean that... (from the document) "Scholars have identified the papyrus fragments as parts of standard funerary texts that were deposited with mummified bodies. These fragments date to between the third century B.C.E. and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived." 
"So, LDS.org comes out and states "these things are not true. We know thest things are not true." 


First of all, it is a complete fabrication for Mike Winger to state the Church states, "these things are not true. We know these things are not true."


That is a complete fabrication. That is not in the document, "Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham." The Church states repeatedly that the Book of Abraham is true scripture.


Mike Winger reads from the document (changing the name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to mArMan to show his ass). But then stops quoting from the Church document and starts mind-reading when the document actually explains why scholars can identify the text as funerary texts and it is also scripture...


"Of course, the fragments do not have to be as old as Abraham for the book of Abraham and its illustrations to be authentic. Ancient records are often transmitted as copies or as copies of copies. The record of Abraham could have been edited or redacted by later writers much as the Book of Mormon prophet-historians Mormon and Moroni revised the writings of earlier peoples. Moreover, documents initially composed for one context can be repackaged for another context or purpose. Illustrations once connected with Abraham could have either drifted or been dislodged from their original context and reinterpreted hundreds of years later in terms of burial practices in a later period of Egyptian history. The opposite could also be true: illustrations with no clear connection to Abraham anciently could, by revelation, shed light on the life and teachings of this prophetic figure.


Some have assumed that the hieroglyphs adjacent to and surrounding facsimile 1 must be a source for the text of the book of Abraham. But this claim rests on the assumption that a vignette and its adjacent text must be associated in meaning. In fact, it was not uncommon for ancient Egyptian vignettes to be placed some distance from their associated commentary.



Mike Wingers answer as to why the document can be seen as a funerary text by scholars but then also is considered scripture is in the next few paragraphs Mike Winger does not read.


Why did Mike Winger start speculating and postulating right when the article gave the answer he was claiming to seek?


Mike Winger not reading the explanation from the article is dishonest. As dishonest as him changing the name of the Church to "mArMan" when he read the official name of the Church.


Mike Winger had the answer in the article, he read from the article, then stopped reading when the article got to the answer he was claiming was important.


Just another example of him showing his dishonesty. 


Mike Winger:
The article concludes with this phrase, the last thing they say, "The truth of the book of Abraham is ultimately found through careful study of its teachings, sincere prayer, and the confirmation of the Spirit." Thats how you really find out. Because in mArManIsM  mArMan apologetics is built on one pillar: evidence doesnt matter just believe it." 


Prayer and confirmation by the Spirit is spiritual and religious "evidence."


And there is plenty of defenders of the truths of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who find plenty of "evidence" to defend the teachings and beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ.


He is lying when he says, "evidence doesn't matter just believe it."


Seeking answers from God is "evidence."


And the paragraphs he failed to read from the article stated how there is "evidence."


And there are "apologetics" to the Church of Jesus Christ who defend "The Book of Abraham" with "evidence." Mike Winger is lying.


"40 Insights and Evidences on the Book of Abraham from Pearl of Great Price Central" [url=https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/40-insights-and-evidences-on-the-book-of-abraham-from-pearl-of-great-price-central]Link[/url]


Book of Mormon Central, Book of Abraham: [url=https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog-tags/book-of-abraham]Link[/url]


Pearl of Great Price Central, Book of Abraham: [url=https://pearlofgreatpricecentral.org/category/book-of-abraham/]Link[/url]


So Mike Winger tells two lies here. "Evidence doesn't matter just believe it."


The first lie: Answer to prayer is religious and spiritual evidence.


The second lie: Defenders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Book of Abraham provide tangible, real "evidence" for their defense sometimes.



Mike Winger: 
"evidence doesn't matter, just believe it. I could not be a MaRmAn because of this. I am only a Christian because when I researched the evidence and when I sought to find the proof for what I believed my questions were answered and I felt satisfied intellectually with those answers."


Unbelievable. "evidence doesn't matter, just believe it" is not a teaching of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


"Seek answers and evidence through prayer and seeking answers from God." That is an official teaching of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


Here is a not-Latter day Saint intellectual Stephen H. Webb who took an -intellectual- look at our teachings and beliefs and came-away stating we got it right... [url=https://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/02/mormonism-obsessed-with-christ]Link[/url]


Here is where Mike Winger has to create a false strawman. 


He states we don't have any "evidence" when he stopped reading from the document when it explained how it works that it can be a funerary text and also scripture at the same time. That is intellectually dishonest on his part.


He states we don't have any "evidence" when prayer and religious influence from God is an evidence.


Is there (tremendous, overwhelming, provable) "evidence" that the Bible contains errors, omissions, and mistakes? Yes. Mike Winger is creating a false standard here. 


He is satisfied with the "evidence" for his beliefs. When the "evidence" is that there are errors, omissions, changes, and mistakes in the Bible. 


Mike Winger:
I could never be a mArMan. And I can't imagine what it feels like to be raised as a mArMan and to hear stuff like this and then maybe to get mad at a guy like me and then go look into it and find that it is true and then your whole word is upside down right and you don't know what to believe. And they come to you and say, "take it on faith." "Just believe it, you know." "Pray that God will reveal to you that it is true." Even though it is not."


Did he just openly mock prayer?


There is lie, what number five... 


He stopped reading the article when it explained how the text could be a funerary text and scripture. Then he mocks prayer and answers to prayer?


How do we know the Bible is true when it can be "proven" that it contains errors, mistakes, and omissions: take it on faith.


How do we explain the death and resurrection of Christ: take it on faith.


"Take it on faith" is a shared belief of -all- followers of Christ.


Mike Winger is creating a false standard that The Book of Abraham needs to be "taken on faith" but Creedal Christianity or The Bible does not. That is unbelievable mental and cognitive gymnastics on Mike Wingers part.


I am pretty sure Mike Winger just openly mocked prayer and faith. I am pretty sure that is what I watched just now.


Mike Winger:
"So, what do Egyptologists actually say about it? Because that is what I would want to know, right? "


What do Bible historians say about the Bible? They say it contains errors, mistakes, and omissions.


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledges in the article, "Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham" that Egyptologists in and out of the Church don't see "The Book of Abraham" in the Papyri we possess.


The article also states why this is the case.


The scriptures don't say, "place your faith in Egyptologists and historians." The scriptures state (what Mike Winger mocks): "take it on faith."


Mike Winger is creating a false strawman here. First of all, the article states that Egyptologists can't find the Book of Abrham in the papyri we posses. The Church is open and honest about this.


Mike Winger lies when he states there isn't an explanation for that in the article.


Another false strawman is him trying to hold Egyptologists and historians over "take it on faith." That is a false strawman. "Take it on faith" is what believers should do.


There are also Egyptologists who defend the Book of Abraham. Mike Winger could have read from PhD Egyptologists Gee and Muhlsteen who have perspectives from PhD Egyptologists who have "evidence" for the Book of Abraham.


Mike Winger claims to seek "evidence" but leaves-out Gee and Muhlsteen? PhD Egyptologists? That does not make any sense.


Muhlsteen and Gee give "evidence" to the Book of Abraham: [url=https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/resources-from-egyptologists-for-studying-the-book-of-abraham-authenticity-translation]Link[/url]


If you honestly seek "evidence" for spiritual and religious truth then the answer is: take it on faith.


If you honestly seek evidence for the Book of Abraham from believing PhDs in Egyptology, you will find it in Gee and Muhlsteen and other believing Bible scholars. The evidence is there. Mike Winger just does not want to look  at it and in the case of reading from, "Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham" he skips over the parts that would show he is not being honest and accurate.


Mike Winger told several open lies in the anti-Latter day Saint hit piece.


He did not read from the article, "word for word." He got tripped up when he almost read the actual name of the Church: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


Mike Winger also lied when he stated, "these things are not true. We know these things are not true." The Church states over and over again that the Book of Abrahm is true scripture. Mike Winger lied.


Mike Winger lied when he stated, "mArMan apologetics is built on one pillar: evidence doesnt matter just believe it." Prayer and answer to prayer is "evidence." And he skipped-over the paragraphs in the article that provided "evidence" and there are PhD Egyptologists who find (real, tangible) "evidence" that The Book of Abraham is true. Mike Winger lied.


Mike Winger is being intellectually dishonest when he implies that there is "evidence" for his (Creedal) "Christian" beliefs but we don't have similar "evidence" in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for our beliefs. That is intellectual dishonesty on his part. Mike Winger is creating a false and misleading standard.


Mike Winger mocks answers to prayer and seeking answers from God in prayer. He might be a lot of things, but no true Christian mocks prayer and seeking answers from God in prayer.


Mike Winger creates a false and misleading standard when he states: "So, what do Egyptologists actually say about it? Because that is what I would want to know, right?" That is a false and misleading standard because there are faithful Latter-day Saint Egyptologists who have "evidence" for the Book of Abraham. And Mike Winger only quotes Egyptologists who prove his point. That is a false and misleading standard. There are two sides to the story, and Mike Winger only tells one, and he has to engage in cognitive gymnastics to get to the point.


If you adhere to the false belief that the Bible contains no errors, omissions, and mistakes and that it can be universally proven with science and history and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is wrong, this kind of shallow hit-piece will appeal to you.

Sunday, December 25, 2022

Monday, December 5, 2022

The Trinity Before Nicea... https://restitutio.org/2019/04/12/the-trinity-before-nicea/


"No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html#Intro


Ignatius, second bishop of Antioch... " Thus although there is nothing remotely resembling a doctrine of the Trinity in Ignatius, the triadic pattern of thought is there, and two of its members, the Father and Jesus Christ, are clearly and often designated as God."

https://orthocath.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/ignatius-of-antiochs-view-of-the-trinity/


Polycarp of Smyrna... "Polycarp did not believe in the Trinity nor did Justin, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Tertullian, or Origen."


https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/the-trinity-before-nicea


Theophilus... First to use the word, but not in the sense of a believing "trinitarian." "I'll summarize what the things Theophilus and his contemporaries did and didn't believe in relation to the later doctrine of the Trinity.


http://geocitiessites.com/Athens/Parthenon/2671/ECTheop.html


Tertullian... "In opposition to these he asserted and developed logos christology in a unique way. Here is a graphic illustration of Tertullian’s trinity—not a triune God, but rather a triad or group of three, with God as the founding member."

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html


Tertullian... "Away, then, with those Antichrists who deny the Father and the Son. For they deny the Father, when they say that He is the same as the Son; and they deny the Son, when they suppose Him to be the same as the Father, by assigning to Them things which are not Theirs, and taking away from Them things which are Theirs."

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0317.htm


Hippolytus of Rome... Not a "trinitarian." " Hippolytus, on the contrary, stood uncompromisingly for a real difference between the Son (Logos) and the Father, but so as to represent the Former as a Divine Person almost completely separate from God (Ditheism) and at the same time altogether subordinate to the Father (Subordinationism)."

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07360c.htm


Origen... Not a "trinitarian. "in the surviving Greek fragments of Origen’s On First Principles, as well as his Against Celsus, we find subordinationism." 

https://restitutio.org/2019/04/12/the-trinity-before-nicea/



Novatian... Not a "trinitarian." "Language which had been very unusual in the first century (Harris 1992) now became the norm; Jesus was now “God” or “a god”, but not the one true God. (e.g. Novatian, Trinity, ch. 31; Justin First, ch. 13)"

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html


Pope Dionysius.. Not a true trinitarian... "Some Christians of the Pentapolis or Alexandria objected to the strong expressions he used in that letter, because, very much akin to the language of Origen, they seemed to favor the subordination of the Son to the Father."

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/dionysiusrome.html



Gregory the Wonderworker... Not a true trinitarian... "As a pupil of Origen, Gregory continued to expound Origen’s ideas. This third century creed by Gregory of Neocaesarea is preserved in a biography of him written by Gregory of Nyassa. It emphasizes the eternal divinity of Jesus as the Son of God, without addressing what exactly distinguishes the Son from the Father."


http://www.crivoice.org/creedgregory.html

Friday, November 18, 2022

Saturday, January 23, 2021